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FOYS
 FOYS
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The problem is, who would come in realistically and turn things round?

How about Jurgen Klopp?

What did she wear......
She wore,she wore,she wore a yellow ribbon......

Keep St George in my heart keep me English......

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Posted : 20/08/2013 5:38 am
potter
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Who would do the negotiations ? We can't even tie down Joe Soap from Sunlight Rovers.

"Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

It would be foolish to think otherwise

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Posted : 20/08/2013 5:40 am
Allgunsblazin
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We are in a really bad way, I sense the dressing room will be distancing itself from the manager, there are far too many questions now to answer...
All THEY had to do was sit down and work out their targets and get them...
All THEY did was wind up the support at SEASON TICKET PURCHASE TIME, and bandy around misinformation about who they were JOKINGLY after to get bums on seats, THEIR OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK...

The Arsenal 5 The Scum 2, 26th February 2012 and 17th November 2012.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 6:35 am
I Believe Overall
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I'm still for AW. I think it is just as likely that it is the board and rest of the management team who are scuppering any real attempts to buy players (over many years). None of the board have earned my trust in anything they have done. AW did many years ago. No-one other than them actually knows the real truth here.

I could be wrong of course - but I choose to believe that AW isn't the main problem as there is no real evidence - its just supposition and I'll stick with the man who gave us glory (albeit a long time ago now) over those who have given us nothing - ever.

I would also add that even if a few people got their way and he was removed today - who could we get in to replace him at short notice? I tend to think that we'd be in a worse state for this season if he went now.

I'm not having a go at anyone who holds a different opinion to me - in the same way that I won't hold it against you if my opinion makes you angry - thats your choice.

me neither

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Posted : 20/08/2013 6:58 am
I Believe Overall
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One Match LOST and here we go again "OFF WITH HIS HEAD IS THE CRY" and he is'nt even in the Tower yet.

Is this a game or is it MONEY that lasts 90 minutes with a referee from.........yes you can guess!!!!!! He came from MANCHESTER and boy did he drop some BLOOMERS.

Yes we have a problem and who is the best person to get us out of this problem?

Non other than ARSENE WENGER

Come on now, you know it makes sence.

I'm lost for words. you really are a complete WUM. Good day sir.

It would be nice if we could keep this friendly - people like Island Boy have every right to express an opinion - its an opinion that isn't completely out of step with large numbers of fans - especially those who come from a generation who have seen more than most. I think sometimes experience offers some insight and yes he might be wrong - but he might be right as well and in either way would you speak to a man like this in the street? I don't know him personally but IIRC he is one of our more experienced long suffering fans.

I quite like that after all that - he can maintain a positive outlook - good for him. In any case he was quite good humoured about it - and we could do with some humour this week.

me neither

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:06 am
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I'm still for AW. I think it is just as likely that it is the board and rest of the management team who are scuppering any real attempts to buy players (over many years). None of the board have earned my trust in anything they have done. AW did many years ago. No-one other than them actually knows the real truth here.

I could be wrong of course - but I choose to believe that AW isn't the main problem as there is no real evidence - its just supposition and I'll stick with the man who gave us glory (albeit a long time ago now) over those who have given us nothing - ever.

I would also add that even if a few people got their way and he was removed today - who could we get in to replace him at short notice? I tend to think that we'd be in a worse state for this season if he went now.

I'm not having a go at anyone who holds a different opinion to me - in the same way that I won't hold it against you if my opinion makes you angry - thats your choice.

I respect anyone who can come out and say at the moment that they are still in favour of Arsene Wenger when I and many Arsenal supporters cannot think of one reason why he should stay a moment longer. what interests me about your post is that not even you can really come out with any real reason why he should stay other than he won us a few trophies many years ago. Oh and then the old who on earth can we get next!
have a read of this excellent letter and then think about whether you really think Wenger is still the right man to lead the club forward.
http://onlinegooner.com/article.php?sec ... ve&id=2965

FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:19 am
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Even the generally pro-Arsenal bloggers and media are lashing out at the club: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ud-2188755

I said in another post yesterday that the media in this country will probably finish Wenger off in the next few weeks

FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:23 am
I Believe Overall
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I'm still for AW. I think it is just as likely that it is the board and rest of the management team who are scuppering any real attempts to buy players (over many years). None of the board have earned my trust in anything they have done. AW did many years ago. No-one other than them actually knows the real truth here.

I could be wrong of course - but I choose to believe that AW isn't the main problem as there is no real evidence - its just supposition and I'll stick with the man who gave us glory (albeit a long time ago now) over those who have given us nothing - ever.

I would also add that even if a few people got their way and he was removed today - who could we get in to replace him at short notice? I tend to think that we'd be in a worse state for this season if he went now.

I'm not having a go at anyone who holds a different opinion to me - in the same way that I won't hold it against you if my opinion makes you angry - thats your choice.

I respect anyone who can come out and say at the moment that they are still in favour of Arsene Wenger when I and many Arsenal supporters cannot think of one reason why he should stay a moment longer. what interests me about your post is that not even you can really come out with any real reason why he should stay other than he won us a few trophies many years ago. Oh and then the old who on earth can we get next!
have a read of this excellent letter and then think about whether you really think Wenger is still the right man to lead the club forward.
http://onlinegooner.com/article.php?sec ... ve&id=2965

Well I've read and digested a lot of stuff over the last few years and I did read this one already, along with the BSM, and AST 'letters' all of which express valid points.

Its not that I don't think there isn't anyone who could do a football management job better - not at all. I think there are probably 5-10 people in the world who could be considered better managers. But as it stands right now in our current plight with everything that has gone before - with everything he has achieved with no real resources, with all the success he bought in the past - I think AW is still the man for this season. Making a change today wouldn't have a positive effect for this season and I'm not ready to write it off - especially as there is still a chance that we can bring in better players to bolster what isn't a bad first team at all.

I think he is owed the chance to reap the rewards that he has helped to bring about. He is the person who dragged this club into the 21st century, he is the one who sustained an acceptable level with amazing consistency of quality over all those years with no real resources.

On balance I think he is still the man for this season. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on it - what will be will be - but I'll keep my view until anyone comes along with a better idea right now. I don't think I'm in a minority either.

me neither

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:39 am
dropshort
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Ok, of the 14 who are still in favour, I have a simple question, why?

I'm still for even though we've managed to handicap ourselves again by not being ready but I do think he is trying to change. The over 30 policy has been dropped along the way the defence did play better in the last half of the season and it looks as if the clearing of the deadwood will leave space for new blood. The transfer window is still open and I think it would be better if it was only open for a few days then you wouldn't have all these clubs all waiting for last minute bargains.I agree with you about some of his tactical decisions Tel as they seem to be controlled by fitness levels rather than what's needed on the pitch

Lastly he's the manager of my club and a proven winner (allright not lately) so he gets my support in the face of all outsiders and media whores.

well you did ask

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:51 am
NickF
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I think he is owed the chance to reap the rewards that he has helped to bring about. He is the person who dragged this club into the 21st century, he is the one who sustained an acceptable level with amazing consistency of quality over all those years with no real resources.

Whilst it is clear we haven't had a lot of money to spend in recent years, he does seem to have wasted a lot on substandard players such as Park and Santos, by buying quantity over quality. This year however, even though we have money, we seem to be woefully underprepared for the transfer window just as we were a few seasons back.

Added to this the nonsensical socialist wage policy and we could of (and probably should of) be doing a lot better.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 7:59 am
dropshort
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I agree about the socialist wage policy it looks like it was born out of some footballing nirvana in the hope other teams would also adopt it. Instead they said 'naah' and went of and won things.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 8:03 am
louder
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I agree about the socialist wage policy it looks like it was born out of some footballing nirvana in the hope other teams would also adopt it. Instead they said 'naah' and went of and won things.

Only the minority went off and won things. I think we pay excellent wages when you look across the board, but if you only compare us to the billionnaire clubs then

"Arsene is a perfect fit for Arsenal. This is the classiest club out there" - Graeme Souness.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 8:19 am
NickF
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I agree about the socialist wage policy it looks like it was born out of some footballing nirvana in the hope other teams would also adopt it. Instead they said 'naah' and went of and won things.

Only the minority went off and won things. I think we pay excellent wages when you look across the board, but if you only compare us to the billionnaire clubs then

That's the problem - we pay excellent wages to largely unproven players. If they fail to live up to expectation, you are then stuck with players you can't get rid of.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 8:22 am
dropshort
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I agree about the socialist wage policy it looks like it was born out of some footballing nirvana in the hope other teams would also adopt it. Instead they said 'naah' and went of and won things.

Only the minority went off and won things. I think we pay excellent wages when you look across the board, but if you only compare us to the billionnaire clubs then

The billionaire clubs are the ones were competing with though and I think the rigid pay structure in place at the time probably stopped us from getting better quality players anyhow thankfully the policy has changed we just need to attract some good players now.

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Posted : 20/08/2013 8:25 am
doritobrother
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I agree about the socialist wage policy it looks like it was born out of some footballing nirvana in the hope other teams would also adopt it. Instead they said 'naah' and went of and won things.

I think a socialist wage structure would work provides all of the players are the same level of quality, which is practically impossible.

“I am going to make this the greatest club in the world.” Herbert Chapman, 1925

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Posted : 20/08/2013 8:29 am
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