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ROCK GOONER
(@rock-gooner)
Estimable Member

Dont think anyone is surprised , the right & proper thing would have been for him to announce his retirement after masterminding Saturdays triumph , cant see how he warrants a 2 mill PA pay hike either , more of the same for another two seasons , treated with total contempt by Kroenke & the other lily livered board members , will we be ready in August this year because another poor start will bring the toxin level at the bowl to maximum from early doors , he's an old man & I've seen some stuff on social media from people wishing bad stuff on the man , he should not have put himself in that position again imo.

No sympathy whatsoever if it did happen

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Posted : 31/05/2017 8:07 pm
Gunnersaurus
(@gunnersaurus)
Noble Member

He's an old man now, don't see how his health could take 2 more years of such hostility, he looks drained as it is.

He needs a strong Summer and fast start, can't be any of this waiting for the last week of the window nonsense, a bad start and it'll be like Villa at home a few years ago.

We've not won an opening game in years, he can't afford for that to happen this year.

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Posted : 01/06/2017 7:23 am
potter
(@potter)
Famed Member

Two more years of dancing the same old dance to the same old tune , All we can do now is support the players on the pitch and let the board room shenanigans look after themselves . What will be interesting is as Rob indicated season tickets are being abandoned , how many of the people that have been saying don't buy them suddenly cough up as those on the list suddenly find an unexpected grand or so to shell out .

"Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

It would be foolish to think otherwise

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Posted : 01/06/2017 7:37 am
NickF
(@nickf)
Prominent Member

Two more years of dancing the same old dance to the same old tune , All we can do now is support the players on the pitch and let the board room shenanigans look after themselves . What will be interesting is as Rob indicated season tickets are being abandoned , how many of the people that have been saying don't buy them suddenly cough up as those on the list suddenly find an unexpected grand or so to shell out .

What "board room shenanigans"? Wenger decides his own contract and the board are informed of the decision.
It has already been indicated they don't see it as Wenger's last contract.

He is not going anywhere for the forseeable future (unless we crowdfund an assassin. JOKE).

I'm done with this club, they might as well rename it Arsene FC because it is just there to indulge a greedy old man with no life outside football.

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Posted : 01/06/2017 9:04 am
potter
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Famed Member

Shenanigans ? No evidence but rumour has it that there is a split on the way forward. The official announcement although leaked beforehand was scheduled for the morning , put back to lunchtime and eventually made mid afternoon. Was that because they were sipping their after dinner brandies ? or could it be because they were persuading members of the board to put up a united front ?: Smoke without fire ? he may have won the battle but the war will continue and a poor set of early results will put the pressure straight back on him and his North American backer.

"Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

It would be foolish to think otherwise

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Posted : 02/06/2017 7:15 am
NickF
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Prominent Member

Shenanigans ? No evidence but rumour has it that there is a split on the way forward. The official announcement although leaked beforehand was scheduled for the morning , put back to lunchtime and eventually made mid afternoon. Was that because they were sipping their after dinner brandies ? or could it be because they were persuading members of the board to put up a united front ?: Smoke without fire ? he may have won the battle but the war will continue and a poor set of early results will put the pressure straight back on him and his North American backer.

Do you think either of them really give a sh*t what anyone think?
The fact he is given a new contract despite finish 5th (18 points behind Chelsea, 11 behind Spurs) and yet another champs league humiliation, says all you need to know about the ambition of this club.

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Posted : 02/06/2017 11:13 am
potter
(@potter)
Famed Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

"Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth."

It would be foolish to think otherwise

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Posted : 02/06/2017 12:54 pm
NickF
(@nickf)
Prominent Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

Between the supporters with blind unquestioning loyalty to Arsenal who never ask themselves if another manager could do better and the "I have too much respect for Wenger", there will never be enough to make a difference. This is pretty much why he was able to sign a new contract this time, can't see any circumstances that would change this. If people haven't said anything to this point, they ain't likely to anytime soon.

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Posted : 02/06/2017 4:05 pm
Allgunsblazin
(@allgunsblazin)
Noble Member

Mr 70% Kroenke gave Wenger his blessing, Mr 30% no seat on the Board Usmanov gave him his blessing earlier...
With that backing it will be business as usual...

The Arsenal 5 The Scum 2, 26th February 2012 and 17th November 2012.

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Posted : 02/06/2017 4:24 pm
louder
(@louder)
Illustrious Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

Maybe it did get to Wenger. And maybe it encouraged him to take more risks when looking at recruitment. This could end up being a positive or a negative. Who knows ? Any sane supporter goes into a new season with positivity, especially when signings are being made. Life's too short to listen to some of the hate-filled idiots congesting the internet.

"Arsene is a perfect fit for Arsenal. This is the classiest club out there" - Graeme Souness.

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Posted : 07/07/2017 6:38 pm
I Believe Overall
(@i-believe-overall)
Noble Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

Between the supporters with blind unquestioning loyalty to Arsenal who never ask themselves if another manager could do better and the "I have too much respect for Wenger", there will never be enough to make a difference. This is pretty much why he was able to sign a new contract this time, can't see any circumstances that would change this. If people haven't said anything to this point, they ain't likely to anytime soon.

I do think that the majority aren't at the polarised ends of the argument. Phrases like 'blind unquestioning loyalty' isn't representative IMO. This year we've heard a massive number of people expressing dissatisfaction but without succumbing to the hatred spewed from a minority. The argument from many was that AW was incapable of change, that he was satisfied with a Cup. This summer is showing something else - sure he still has faults but lack of loyalty or resilience are not one of them.

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me neither

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Posted : 09/07/2017 7:59 am
I Believe Overall
(@i-believe-overall)
Noble Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

Between the supporters with blind unquestioning loyalty to Arsenal who never ask themselves if another manager could do better and the "I have too much respect for Wenger", there will never be enough to make a difference. This is pretty much why he was able to sign a new contract this time, can't see any circumstances that would change this. If people haven't said anything to this point, they ain't likely to anytime soon.

I do think that the majority aren't at the polarised ends of the argument. Phrases like 'blind unquestioning loyalty' isn't representative IMO. This year we've heard a massive number of people expressing dissatisfaction but without succumbing to the hatred spewed from a minority. The argument from many was that AW was incapable of change, that he was satisfied with a Cup. This summer is showing something else - sure he still has faults but lack of loyalty or resilience are not one of them.

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me neither

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Posted : 09/07/2017 8:11 am
NickF
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Prominent Member

If the noise is loud enough , yes. Already Wenger has said it was disgraceful which means it got to him, it can only get worse if things go wrong and the pressure rises up again.

Between the supporters with blind unquestioning loyalty to Arsenal who never ask themselves if another manager could do better and the "I have too much respect for Wenger", there will never be enough to make a difference. This is pretty much why he was able to sign a new contract this time, can't see any circumstances that would change this. If people haven't said anything to this point, they ain't likely to anytime soon.

I do think that the majority aren't at the polarised ends of the argument. Phrases like 'blind unquestioning loyalty' isn't representative IMO. This year we've heard a massive number of people expressing dissatisfaction but without succumbing to the hatred spewed from a minority. The argument from many was that AW was incapable of change, that he was satisfied with a Cup. This summer is showing something else - sure he still has faults but lack of loyalty or resilience are not one of them.

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What do you feel this summer is showing us then?
As far as loyalty and resilience goes, don't make me laugh, 8m per year with no requirement to actually compete. That would buy most people's loyalty.

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Posted : 06/08/2017 3:57 pm
Tenbob
(@tenbob)
Noble Member

I'm a Wenger out, but it's not going to happen anytime now so it's full support as it's a new season and where there's hope there's a chance.

“ Arsenal come streaming forward now in surely what will be their last attack. A good ball by Dixon, finding Smith, for Thomas, charging through the midfield. Thomas, it's up for grabs now! Thomas! ”

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Posted : 06/08/2017 7:42 pm
ArsenalMill
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Estimable Member

I'm a Wenger out, but it's not going to happen anytime now so it's full support as it's a new season and where there's hope there's a chance.

I think Wengers success should be measured in maintaining the team as well as trophies.

Letting 8 players runs down their contracts to this point is not good management. Letting 3-4 of your top players enter their final year of contract is not far off gross negligence, Sanchez, Ozil & Ox should have had their contracts renewed and extended last summer rather than waiting to last minute.

As far as I'm concerned if Arsenal loose Sanchez & Ozil for peanuts or on a free and can't replace them, Wenger should be charged with gross misconduct and sacked just like any other Executive or senior manager outside of football would be..

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Posted : 07/08/2017 1:28 pm
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